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[Call Board of Commissioners Meeting to Order]
[00:00:05]
THOUSAND TWENTY SIX COMMISSION MEETING ORDER PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL GOOD MORNING EVERYONE THANK YOU FOR COMING PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES ALRIGHT UH
[Approval of Agenda]
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA THE AGENDA WAS PRESENTED FOR YOU IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA MANDY THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA MISTER CHAIR SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR AYE AYE AYE OKAY NEXT ITEM IS APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA[Approval of Consent Agenda]
IS ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA IF NOT DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND THAT'S MOTION TO SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY HI HI HI OK MOTION CARRIES NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC APPEARANCES NO PUBLIC SO WE WILL CONTINUE ON AND WE'LL MOVE ON[Finance]
TO FINANCE MORNING HEATHER MAGIC TOUCH THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE TODAY IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE QUARTER 1 2026 DONATIONS THE UH THE DONATIONS THIS QUARTER THE FIRST ITEM IS FAN DONATIONS OF $140 WE ALSO HAD SOME DONATIONS FROM THE MANCATO ELK'S LODGE WHICH INCLUDED 40 GIFT CARDS WHICH UM HAD 20 FOR QUICK TRIP AND 20 FOR HY VEE FOR THE VET'S SERVICES OFFICE FOR THE TOTAL VET SERVICES OF $1,140 AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE VARIOUS LOAN CLOSET PUBLIC HEALTH DONATIONS OF $330 FOR A TOTAL OF $1,470 FOR QUARTER ONE AND THEN WE HAVE FOR A GOOGLE BY RESOLUTION MOTION TO APPROVE THE DONATIONS MR CHAIR I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED DO YOU HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND THAT OKAY MOTION SECOND THIS IS A RESOLUTION SO WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER JANELLE YES COMMISSIONER HELGITT YES COMMISSIONER ZENS YES COMMISSIONER DION YES COMMISSIONER KOHLARS YES THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT DONATED FOR US THE SECOND ITEM I HAVE IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE NEGATIVE DITCH SYSTEM FUND BALANCE TRANSFER THIS IS AN ANNUAL ITEM THAT I COME TO EACH YEAR AS WE ARE PREPARING OUR AUDIT WITH THE STATE AUDITORS SOME BACKGROUND OF THIS ITEM ON DECEMBER 18TH 2,018 THE NICOLA COUNTY BOARD APPROVED A NEGATIVE DITCH FUND BALANCE POLICY IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH STATE STATUTE SECTION 1 FISCAL 2025 IS UH COMPLETE AND WITH OUR STATE AUDITORS AND THE ATTACHMENT WILL IDENTIFY THE NEGATIVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM CASH BALANCE UH FOR THE YEAR END 2025 WHICH IS NEGATIVE TWO MILLION ONE HUNDRED THIRTY NINE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR DOLLARS AND EIGHTY SEVEN CENTS IN ORDER TO COVER THIS NEGATIVE BALANCE WE SEEK APPROVAL TO TEMPORARILY TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND THE ADVANCEMENT IS TO BE REPAID PLUS INTEREST AS THE FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE IN EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL DITCH FUNDS THE ACTION REQUESTED IS TO UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE DAMAGE FUND AND I WILL LOOK YOU FOR THAT APPROVAL TODAY SO MOVE SECONDED I MOTION TO SECOND THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR AYE AYE AYE OK THANK YOU THANK YOU ALRIGHT THIS OH SURE SURE GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER ZINS YES COMMISSIONER HELGET YES COMMISSIONER JANELLE YES COMMISSIONER KOHLARS YES COMMISSIONER DION YES OKAY THANK YOU HI GOOD MORNING SETH[Public Works]
GOOD MORNING MR CHAIR UH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND STAFF UH A COUPLE ITEMS FROM PUBLIC WORKS THIS MORNING THE FIRST IS TO CONSIDER MIN DOT DETOUR AGREEMENT NO.[00:05:01]
THIS DETOUR AGREEMENT INVOLVES THE MENDOTA PROJECT TO BUILD ROUNDABOUTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF KIND ROAD 5 AND TRUNK HIGHWAY 15 AND KIND ROAD 5 AND TRUNK HIGHWAY 1 11 UM INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS A COPY OF THE DETOUR AGREEMENT THIS IS A STANDARD UM AGREEMENT THAT UH MIN DOT UTILIZES WHENEVER THEY PLACE UH DETOUR ON COUNTY HIGHWAY ALSO IN THAT DETOUR AGREEMENT YOU CAN SEE THE ROUTES UM THAT ARE GOING TO BE USED AS PART OF THESE DETOURS SO WHAT MINNESOTA'S GONNA DO THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE COUNTY ROAD THE DETOUR I BELIEVE IS ANTICIPATED TO GO INTO EFFECT ON MAY 18TH AND WE'LL UTILIZE UM COUNTY ROAD 21 COUNTY ROAD 12 AND COUNTY ROAD 15 THAT ROUNDABOUT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE UH TOWARDS THE END OF JULY WHEN THAT HAPPENS UM THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE OPEN AND THEN MINDOT WILL MOVE TO THE COUNTY ROAD 5 AND TRUNK HIGHWAY 1 11 UH ROUNDABOUT PROJECT AND THAT DETOUR WILL UTILIZE PORTIONS OF TRUNK HIGHWAY 99 KIND ROAD 13 KIND ROAD 5 KIND ROAD 3 AND KIND ROAD 15 SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD TODAY TO APPROVE DETOUR AGREEMENT 1 0 6 2 1 I'D BE MORE HAPPY QUESTIONS FOR SIR HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING US FOR THIS UH ESTIMATED UH REIMBURSEMENT IS FORTY SIX THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FOUR DOLLARS AND TWENTY TWO CENTS THAT AMOUNT MAY UH CHANGE DEPENDING ON ACTUAL DURATION OF THOSE DETAILS ALRIGHT MOTION I'LL MOVE IT MISTER CHAIR 2ND SECOND IT ALRIGHT THIS IS A RESOLUTION SO AGAIN WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THIS PLEASE YES COMMISSIONER HELGET YES COMMISSIONER ZINS YES COMMISSIONER GENERAL COMMISSIONER YES COMMISSIONER DEAN YES NEXT ITEM UH NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER WORD OF BID FOR UH STATE AID PROJECTS UH 52 6 0 1 25 AND 52 6 0 5 0 6 6 THESE TWO PROJECTS WERE UH BID OUT UNDER ONE CONTRACT AND SO THESE TWO PROJECTS INVOLVE BITUMINOUS MILLING COLD IN PLACE RECYCLING CULVERT LINING AND BITUMINOUS PAVING UH THE WORK WILL OCCUR ON COUNTY ROAD 1 FROM TRUNK HIGHWAY 15 TO TRUNK HIGHWAY 22 AND THEN COUNTY ROAD 5 FROM TRUNK HIGHWAY 15 TO CASA AND SO THAT CASA 5 PROJECT WE ARE GOING TO UM TRY TO OVERLAP WHILE MIND THAT HAS THE INTERSECTION CLOSED THAT THREE AND A/2 MILE SECTION WILL BE CLOSED AND DETOURED WE'RE GONNA DO OUR WORK AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT CLOSURE IS OCCURRING SO OUR ANTICIPATED START DATE FOR THE WORK IS JUNE 8TH AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A COMPLETION BY EARLY SEPTEMBER OF OF THIS YEAR UM SO WE RECEIVED SIX BIDS AND WE OPEN THOSE ON MAY 4TH AT ONE PM YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET THE RESULTS THE BIDDERS AND THE RESULTS OF THEIR BIDS WE HAD UM I HAVEN'T GOTTEN 6 BIDS FOR FOR A PAVING CONTRACT IN A LONG TIME IT'S GOOD TO SEE LOTS OF COMPETITION AND THE COMPETITION WAS WAS VERY TIGHT BETWEEN ESPECIALLY THOSE UM TOP 4 LOW BIDDERS SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD TODAY TO AWARD UH THE STATE AID PROJECT 52 6 125 AND 52 566 CONTRACT TO FOR THE TOTAL LOW BID AMOUNT OF SIX MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND EIGHT DOLLARS AND TWENTY SIX CENTS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS QUESTIONS AND YOU DIDN'T DID THE UH LAST THE COUNTY ROAD PROJECT OVER BY THE GOLF COURSE OR THE OR BY LOWE'S TRUCK STOP WAS THAT EULEN BROTHERS UH THAT WAS MPM SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH EULEN BROTHERS BEFORE UH HERE IN NICKEL COUNTY WE HAVE NEVER WORKED WITH EULEN[00:10:01]
BROTHERS WHERE ARE THEY FROM UM ALBERT LEE IT'S OUR MAIN BASE OF OPERATIONS UH THEY ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE GRAVEL PIT ADJACENT TO OUR COUNTY GRAVEL PIT SO THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT IN THE COUNTY UM THEY RECENTLY DID PAVING WORK ON THE TRUCK HIGHWAY 22 PROJECT IS THERE A DISCUSSION OKAY I HAVE A MOTION I WILL MOVE IT SECOND JUST A SECOND ALRIGHT ALL FAVOR HI HI HI ALRIGHT THANK YOU GOOD LUCK THE WEATHER'S DRY ALL RIGHT NEXT ITEM IS COUNTY ATTORNEY UPDATE THERE'S UH NO UPDATES MR CHAIR MOVE ON TO THE COMMISSIONER[Commissioner Committee Reports, Meetings & Conferences]
CAN COMMITTEE REPORTS UM MR ZINS SO I'VE UH HAD CRIMINAL JUSTICE MEETING UM PREP FOR THE UH FOR THE UH UPCOMING UNION NEGOTIATIONS COMMUNITY HEALTH BOARD WORKSHOP SOLID WASTE MEETING AND WE HAD A BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING UM ALSO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE MEETING IT WAS NICE TO MEET AFTER A COUPLE YEARS AND SEE THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO SEE DOWN HERE ON THIS FLOOR UM TDS BUDGET MEETING COMMUNITY HEALTH BOARD MEETING TRY COUNTY SOLID WASTE UM SOME PERSONAL ISSUES WITH REGION 9A PERSONAL MEETING UM WE'RE HERE AT TODAY'S MEETING OH ONE WATER ONE PLAN YESTERDAY FORGOT ABOUT YESTERDAY SO MR HALGATE I HAD THE UNION NEGOTIATION MEETING UM I HAD A MEETING WITH THE GOOD NEIGHBOR DIVERSITY GROUP HERE IN SAINT PETER AND UM I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THEY UM COMPLIMENTED OUR PUBLIC HEALTH SURVEY THEY USED IT EXTENSIVELY TO APPLY FOR A GRANT THAT ARE MOVING VERY SUCCESSFULLY THROUGH UM THROUGH THAT GRANT PROCESS SO THANK YOU TO OUR HHS DEPARTMENT AND ALL WHO WORKED ON THAT AND THEN LAST NIGHT I HAD THE MINNESOTA VALLEY ACTION COUNCIL HEAD START PROGRAM POLICY COUNCIL MEETING UM GOT SOME INSIGHT INTO HOW GREAT OUR LITTLEST UM LEARNERS ARE DOING IN THIS COUNTY UM PARTICULARLY IN SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL LEARNING SO THAT WAS PRETTY COOL TO SEE MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN I WAS AT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE MEETING WITH FOLKS DIVERSITY FINANCE THE COUNTY HEALTH AND HHS MEETING WHICH WE FOUND TO BE VERY ENTERTAINING AND INTERESTING THANK YOU CASSIE FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AND I'VE SHARED SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARED WITH US THAT DAY UH WITH THE COMMISSIONER HELGEN AND COMMISSIONER DEAN UM BUILDING COMMITTEE WITH THE COMMISSIONER ZINS YESTERDAY AND WE HAD A SPECIAL DIVERSITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT AND I ALSO WANTED TO WISH UM COMMISSIONER ZINS HAPPY BIRTHDAY LATER THIS MONTH AND SETH GREENWOOD HAPPY BIRTHDAY EARLIER THIS MONTH ALRIGHT UM I HAD THE UH I WENT TO A BOB MEYERS RETIREMENT PARTY UH FOR LORAIN COUNTY LAST AFTER OUR LAST MEETING HAD A UM UH TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION MEETING HAD AN MRI EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING AND A STRATEGIC PLANNING PLANNING MEETING AND THEN I HAD THE UH TRANSFORMING TOGETHER TOMORROW STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING ALRIGHT UH NEXT TIME IS[Approve Per Diems and Expenses]
APPROVED FOR DMS AND EXPENSES MOTION I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT SECOND SECOND MOTION SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY HI HI ALRIGHT MOTION CARRIES AND WE WILL ADJOURN THE BOARD COMMISSIONER WE ARE WAITING ON CHRIS OKAY SO WE'LL TAKE A RECESS UNTIL WHERE DO WE WANT TO START THE THE LAND OWNERS AND CHRIS WERE NOTIFIED FOR A 10:00 MEETING OKAY THE CD61 OH THAT PART ARE WE GONNA START THE DRAINAGE OR DO WE WANNA JUST START IT ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE 10 WHAT'S THE PLEASURE YOU WANNA TAKE A HALF HOUR BREAK AND RECONVENE AT QUARTER TO YOU'RE THE BOSS LET'S DO THAT WE'LL TAKE A HALF[Adjourn Board of Commissioners Meeting]
HOUR BREAK WE'LL RECESS AND WE'LL CALL THE TRAINING COMMITTEE[00:15:01]
MEETING TOGETHER AT 9:45 AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF OUR OTHER BUSINESS SO THAT BY THEN HOPEFULLY CHRISTMAS EVE WE CAN GO INTO THAT NEXT MEETING OKAY OH YEAH THEY DO MORNING[Call Drainage Authority Meeting to Order: Chair]
EVERYONE WE'RE GONNA CALL THE DITCH AUTHORITY BACK TOGETHER UM SO YEAH ALRIGHT FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA SO MOVE THE CHAIR I HAVE A MOTION TO A SECOND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR AYE ALRIGHT THANK YOU NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING OR MOTION DO I SECOND SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR AYE AYE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC APPEARANCES ANYONE WANT TO TRUST THE PUBLIC OKAY JACKIE WILL LET YOU GET STARTED ON PUBLIC SERVICES CONSIDER CD61 ALRIGHT GOOD MORNING MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SO AS YOU MAY RECALL ON APRIL 24TH THE BID FOR THE COUNTY JUDGE TAC DRAINAGE IN THE AMOUNT OF FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AND FORTY TWO CENTS UM SO INCLUDED IN THIS PACKET ARE THE CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT DOCUMENTS FOR THE PROJECT AND THE BOARD IS ASKED TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT AND NOTICE TO PROCEED WHICH WILL AUTHORIZE THE CONTRACT TO BEGIN WORK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PROJECT PLANS AND SPECS SPECIFICATIONS SO I'D BE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE UM FOR THE CONTRACT SO WE THE CONTRACTOR CAN BEGIN WORK I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND SECOND THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR HI HI HI OK THANK YOU ALRIGHT THANK YOU NEXT ITEM I SUPPOSE WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL 10:00 SHARP YES TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT A POSTED MEETING BUT LANDOWNERS WERE GIVEN A 10:00 START TIME SO IT WOULD BE BEST TO WAIT WE'LL GIVE THEM A COUPLE MINUTES THEN OKAY WE'LL WAIT JUST A COUPLE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL START THE UH CONSIDER THE DITCH UH REPAIR INFORMATIONAL MEETING MORNING EVERYONE WE WILL CALL THE DITCH AUTHORITY MEETING BACK TOGETHER WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE UH INFORMATIONAL MEETING ON ON THE DITCH REPAIR FOR 25 0 GOOD MORNING MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD UM WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE PUMP STATION ON COUNTY DITCH 76A SPECIFICALLY REPAIR REPORT 25 DASH 0 3 2 IN THE FALL OF 2025 THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT EROSION AND DAMAGE THAT HAPPENED TO THE PUMP STATION AND THE BERM TO WHICH AT THAT TIME THE BOARD RETAINED HOUSTON ENGINEERING TO COMPLETE A REPAIR REPORT ABOUT THE THE DITCH AND THE PUMP STATION TO GIVE US A AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE FOR REPAIR COSTS AND OPTIONS AND IDEAS SINCE THEN CHRIS HAS COMPLETED THAT AND SHARED THAT WITH THE BOARD AT AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING IN LATE MARCH SINCE THEN HE HAS TALKED TO SEVERAL LANDOWNERS AS WELL AS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL MEMORANDUMS AND AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD AT A BOARD WORKSHOP IN APRIL TODAY CHRIS IS HERE TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION AND AN UPDATE TO THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY AS WELL AS LANDOWNERS WHERE WE'RE AT AND UM FROM NO. 5 OUR OPTIONS GOING FORWARD OK ALRIGHT CHRIS THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD UM I'M GONNA JUST GIVE A REAL QUICK UH PRESENTATION THAT HAS IS BASICALLY ABOUT THE SAME PRESENTATION I PROVIDED AT THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING BUT I'M GONNA KIND OF ZIP THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT SINCE YOU'VE ALL SEEN IT BEFORE I THINK THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY YEAH OK THERE ARE UM HEARING AID DEVICES IN THE BACK TO SURE OKAY SO AGAIN I'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION A LOT OF THIS WAS STUFF THAT WE SAW BEFORE I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW ITEMS THAT I'M GONNA EMPHASIZE HERE AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA GO A LITTLE QUICKLY THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT UM ARE MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND HOW THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY WORKS SO UH AGAIN WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE THIS IS A GRAPHIC SHOWING THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM BLUE LINES ARE THE OPEN DITCH THE RED LINES ARE TILE LINES AND THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT UM IS UH UH FLOWING UH OVER INTO MIDDLE LAKE UH LOCATED IN GRANBY TOWNSHIP IS A REMINDER ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM WAS ESTABLISHED AND LATER[00:20:01]
IMPROVED REALLY ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1944 AS JUST A OPEN DITCH SYSTEM BUT THEN LATER 32 YEARS AFTER THAT IN 76 THEY ADDED THREE BRANCHES THAT WERE TILE AND THEN THEY ADDED A PUMPING STATION AND THEN AT THAT TIME THEY UM EXCAVATED THE DITCH DOWN DEEPER THAN WHAT IT WAS AT A 0% GRADE AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PURPOSE TO THAT AND AGAIN THAT THAT 0% GRADE SERVES AS ALMOST A BATHTUB TO HOLD THE WATER FOR THE PUMPS TO PUMP OUT OF UM THAT PUMPING STATION AT THAT TIME INCLUDED A COUPLE OF 30 HORSEPOWER ELECTRIC PUMPS UM AND THEN UM AS WE'VE NOTED BEFORE A TRACTOR DRIVEN PUMP WAS ADDED LATER WE DON'T HAVE DETAIL ON WHEN THAT WAS ADDED UM THERE WASN'T ANY PROCESS OR PROCEDURE UM IN THE RECORD THAT WE DO HAVE THAT INDICATES UM HOW THAT OCCURRED BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT UH UM LATER BECAME PART OF THE SYSTEM AND HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OPERATED SINCE THEN AND THE OPERATION HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY A REAL QUICK REMINDER HOW THE THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY WORKS HERE UM I WORKS ON BEHALF OF THE BENEFITING LANDOWNERS UM THE UM REPAIRS OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ARE PAID BY THOSE BENEFITING LANDOWNERS AND THEY CAN BE INITIATED EITHER BY PETITION OR BY THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE OPERATING UM ON A REPAIR NOTED BY THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY IS NEEDING TO BE COMPLETED UM THAT REPAIR IS UH UM IDENTIFIED IN THE STATUTE UM AS SOMETHING THAT IS AS CONSTRUCTED OR SUBSEQUENTLY IMPROVED WHICH MEANS THAT UH WE'RE ESSENTIALLY WORKING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS AS FAR AS CAPACITY ONCE WE MOVE FORWARD INTO A CAPACITY GREATER THAN UM WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE OR A UH STRUCTURE THAT UH UH COST MORE MONEY TO OPERATE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT AN IMPROVEMENT CANNOT BE INITIATED BY THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY ONLY BY A PETITION BY 26% OR MORE OF THE BENEFITING LAND OWNERS OR THE BENEFITING LANDS THE CURRENT FUNCTION I SHOULD SAY THE AS CONSTRUCTIVE FUNCTION OF THE DITCH WE DETERMINED BY LOOKING AT OLD RECORDS WE IDENTIFIED IN THE OLD RECORD THAT THEY IDENTIFIED THAT EACH ONE OF THESE PUMPS AT THAT TIME WAS SIZED TO UM PROVIDE A MAXIMUM OF 3,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE CAPACITY SO IF YOU ADD BOTH THOSE UP TOGETHER YOU GET 6,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE UM WE ESTIMATED THE CAPACITY OF THAT TRACTOR PUMP OUT THERE AT 8,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE AND THAT WAS BASED ON INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY A UM PUMP SUPPLIER UM KRISTOFOLI UM WE WORKED BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM ON UM THE SIZE OF THAT NOTE I HAVE ASTERISK ON HERE I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT UH BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED OR WE WERE PROVIDED AND WHAT WE COULD SEE FROM THE RECORD WE ESTIMATED THE TOTAL CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM TO BE 14,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE AND THAT'S IN ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION CERTAINLY THE ELECTRIC PUMPS DON'T OPERATE AT THAT KIND OF LEVEL RIGHT NOW THEY PROBABLY HAVE LESS THAN HALF THE CAPACITY ORIGINALLY HAD UM THAT CAPACITY OF 14,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO A HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT WE'VE ESTIMATED A HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT OF THE UM FLOW OF GOING INTO THE SYSTEM AT ABOUT 16,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE UM AND I'LL JUST REMIND UM THE BOARD AND AUDIENCE THAT HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT MEANS THAT IF YOU GET HALF INCH OF RUNOFF FROM THE CONTRIBUTING DRAINAGE AREA UM THAT THE FLOW FROM THAT UM UM UM OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD UM THAT THAT WAS IS I GUESS THE CAPACITY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AND WHAT YOU'RE SIZING SO TYPICALLY ON A TILED DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN MODERN AGRICULTURE MOST I SHOULD SAY THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATION FOR DRAIN TILES IN THIS AREA FOR A ROW CROP LAND IS 1/2 INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT SO THAT'S A VERY OFTEN WHAT THESE UH SYSTEMS ARE SIZED TO BE UM I UM BELIEVE THAT THE SYSTEM OR THE PUBLIC TILES THAT ARE OUT THERE BASED ON THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE ARE UM LIKELY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN 1/2 INCH RANGE COEFFICIENT I HAVE AN GONE THROUGH THAT THE MATH ON THAT BUT THAT'S TYPICAL OF UM WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN HISTORIC UH TILE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND CERTAINLY I WOULDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE ANY MORE THAN THAT RIGHT NOW UM ANOTHER THING TO UM[00:25:01]
NOTE IS THAT THIS UM PUMP SYSTEM UM NEEDS TO BE MANUALLY OPERATED DURING HIGH FLOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THE PUMPS OUT THERE THAT OPERATES AUTOMATICALLY WITH FLOATS THE UM OTHER PUMP ELECTRIC PUMP AND THE TRACTOR PUMP THEY BOTH NEED TO BE OPERATED MANUALLY WHICH CREATES A CHALLENGE AND MANAGING AND MAINTAINING IT SO I KNOW I HAD PUT AN ASTERISK HERE IN THIS POWER SLIDE ABOUT THE 8,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE UM WE UH JUST YESTERDAY RECEIVED A UM LETTER UM BY HYDRO ENGINEERING UM THEY HAD UH AT THEIR REQUEST OF SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS ON THE SYSTEM HAD TAKEN A TEST OF THE FLOW FROM THE UM TRACTOR PUMP THAT WAS OUT THERE UM THAT WAS ON MAY 8TH THEY DID THIS TEST AND THEY TESTED UM THE FLOW AT APPROXIMATELY 13,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE UM I'LL NOTE THOUGH THAT WHEN THEY DID THE TEST THEY IDENTIFIED THAT FLOW OF 13,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE AT 4.2 FEET AHEAD MEANING THEY'RE LIFTING IT FROM YOU KNOW UM A THE ELEVATION IN THE DITCH UP FOUR AND A/2 INTO THE LAKE UM THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS HEAD THAT WHAT WE DESIGNED UM THE SYSTEM UM IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AND SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT THE CURRENT PUMPS ARE DESIGNED TO UM LIFT AND SO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT UM A PUMP LIKE THIS THAT THE MORE HEAD OR MORE LIFT THAT YOU NEED TO GET ON A PUMP LIKE THAT IT RAPIDLY DECREASES THE CAPACITY OF THAT PUMP AND SO WHILE IT UM AT AT AGAIN WHEN THEY HAD THAT THAT THAT PARTICULAR ELEVATION AS THEY'RE TESTING IT IF FOR INSTANCE THE DITCH WATER WAS DOWN ANOTHER 2 FEET WE'D PROBABLY UM IDENTIFY THAT FLOW TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THAT AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THESE FLOW MEASUREMENTS CAUSE THEY DO RELATE TO HOW WE ASSUME OPERATION OF THE THE SYSTEM UM WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT HOW FLOWS GET TO THE PUMP SYSTEM UM AND WE LOOKED FOR A VARIETY OF RAINFALL EVENTS BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WE DID LOOK AT A HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT FLOW GETTING TO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING THAT IF YOU WERE TO SOMEBODY WERE TO DO AN IMPROVEMENT OF ALL THE TILE LINES THAT ARE LOCATED OUT THERE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE THAT GO INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM UM THAT CAPACITY IF THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE A TYPICAL STANDARD NRCS CAPACITY WOULD BE UM APPROXIMATELY OF THAT HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT WHICH WOULD BE 16,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE SO UM JUST A LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN THAT UH UM AS CONSTRUCTED CAPACITY THAT WE IDENTIFIED AT THE PUMPING SYSTEM UM CERTAINLY WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTATION ON THE FUNCTION OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND HOW IT HAS DETERIORATED UM THERE WAS A RECENT BERM FAILURE LAST YEAR OUT THERE THAT NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED UM THERE'S A CHALLENGES WITH THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM ON THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD PROCESS FOR OPERATING MANAGING THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT PUMP SYSTEM UM AS I NOTED BEFORE THE PUMPS THEY'RE GETTING OLD THEY'RE GETTING TIRED THEY'RE YOU KNOW ABOUT 50 YEARS OLD AND SO UM YOU KNOW THEY HAVE A DIMINISHED CAPACITY COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY AND UM YOU KNOW ALL THESE COMPONENTS ARE REALLY PAST THEIR EXPECTED LIFE SO WHAT WE PROPOSED IN OUR REPAIR REPORT THAT WE PROVIDED BACK IN MARCH WAS UM TO REPLACE THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM BOTH ELECTRIC PUMPS AND THE TRACTOR PUMP UM WITH TWO ELECTRICALLY DRIVEN AXIAL FLOW PUMPS UM THESE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT UM YOU SEE WHAT THE DRAINAGE AUTHORITY MANAGES ON COUNTY DITCH 90 THAT'S A PICTURE OF COUNTY DITCH 90 IN THAT UPPER RIGHT PHOTO UM UH WE WOULD BE UM RECOMMENDING THAT THIS WILL ALL BE HOUSED WITHIN A UH LIFT STATION MANHOLE UM WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVE THE UM INTAKE PIPING UM UM AS FAR AS THE SIZING AND ARRANGEMENT UH UH SIMILAR TO WHAT IS THERE EXISTING UM WE'D NEED TO GO BACK AND REWORK THE BERMS UH UH A BIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UM ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HOLD FOR WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO WE DID DO SOME BORINGS THOUGH OUT THERE AND DID FIND THAT THE REST OF THE BERM AREA OUTSIDE OF WHERE THIS PUMP STATION IS DID HAVE DECENT SOILS THROUGH IT SO I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE LOCALIZED JUST TO THE AREA OF THE PUMP STATION[00:30:02]
AND THEN I'LL NOTE THAT WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TO HAVE AUTOMATED CONTROLS ON BOTH OF THESE PUMPS SO THAT THEY COULD OPERATE EITHER ONE AT A TIME OR TOGETHER BUT DO IT INDEPENDENTLY WITH FLOATS NOT NEEDING TO BE MANAGED I'M SAFE WE DID LOOK AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WITH THIS UM AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE POWER SUPPLY THAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A POWER SUPPLY THAT IS A NON STANDARD UM 3 PHASE SYSTEM AND UM BECAUSE OF THAT UM THAT NON STANDARD SYSTEM IT IT DOES HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY UM TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE UM PUMPS MORE THAN UM IF YOU USE THAT EXISTING POWER SUPPLY MAXIMUM UM SIZE WOULD BE 30 HORSEPOWER YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET ROUGHLY 11,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE AND THAT WOULD BE AT A LIFT OF ABOUT 10 FEET THAT'S WHAT WE USE FOR OUR DESIGN CRITERIA AND THE CHANCE THAT WE'D HAVE AGAIN THE LOWEST LEVEL WE COULD GET IN THE DITCH PUMPING TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL COMING OUT OF THE SYSTEM UM THAT IT GIVES A ABOUT A 3 ACE INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT UM OUT THERE THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE WE LOOKED AT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CALL THE FULL AS CONSTRUCTED CAPACITY AGAIN BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAD BEFORE IN OUR REPAIR REPORT UM WE SIZE THAT WITH TWO 50 HORSEPOWER PUMPS UM THAT WOULD GIVE US A FLOW OF A LITTLE OVER 14,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE AT THAT 10 FEET OF HEAD UM THAT IS A LITTLE LESS THAN A HALF INCH DRAIN COEFFICIENT UH WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT RIGHT NOW AT ABOUT YOU KNOW 40/400 OF A INCH OF CAPACITY AGAIN THAT WAS WITH REPLACING THE ELECTRIC POWER OUT THERE WHICH DOES ADD SOME COST TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THE HEAD OR LIFT ON THE THE PUMPS DOES MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE ON THE CAPACITY AND THIS IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS A PUMP CURVE IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF LINES AND I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN A LOT OF DETAIL BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HERE IS THAT UM WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PUMP DESIGN WE LOOK AT A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS WHICH IS THE LIFT THE UM SIZING OF THE HORSEPOWER THE IMPELLER THAT DRIVES THE PUMP THEN THAT GETS US TO A CAPACITY OR A FLOW AND ALL ALL OF THOSE FACTORS LEAD US INTO THAT CAPACITY AND SO UM WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN THE DESIGN AGAIN WE'VE PROVIDED A PRELIMINARY DESIGN UM TO YOU IN OUR REPAIR REPORT UM IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WE WOULD DEVELOP A FINAL DESIGN WHERE WE'D GET MORE TO THE DETAIL SPECIFICALLY OF EXACTLY WHICH IMPELLER IS GOING TO BE MATED WITH THE STYLE OF PUMP AND WITH THE HEAD WE HAVE OUT THERE TO FIT THE THE NEED FOR THE SYSTEM AND THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON HOW THAT PUMP IS GOING TO UM PERFORM BUT WE DETERMINED HERE BASED ON WHAT WE DID PROVIDE IS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AT LEAST WITH THE PUMPS THAT WE HAD ESTIMATED IN OUR REPORT SO ACTUALLY IF WE ADD THAT THAT TOGETHER TWO OF THOSE PUMPS THAT ACTUALLY GETS YOU TO 14,600 IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD UM IF UM WE DETERMINE THAT THE S CONSTRUCTED CONDITION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD ESTIMATED WITH THAT 14,000 WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUMP THAT UP EVEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AT REALLY NO EXTRA COST TO UM THE PROJECT UM BUT ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS THAT UM THERE IS LITTLE VALUE IN UM GETTING ANY MORE CAPACITY THEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH THESE 50 HORSEPOWER PUMPS BECAUSE ONCE YOU START GETTING BEYOND THAT HALF INCH DRAINAGE CALL EFFICIENT REALLY THE PUMPS ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING AT A LEVEL GREATER THAN WHAT THE FLOW CAN BE PROVIDED TO THEM AND SO UM IT UH IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SIZE UP TO THAT HALF INCH STRANGE COLD FISHING BUT I REALLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND GOING ANY BEYOND THAT UM UM EVEN IF IT WOULD QUALIFY AS A REPAIR UM BECAUSE YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE UM UM CREATING MORE CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM THAN YOU CAN GET FLOW TO IT AND THAT CAN CREATE PROBLEMS AGAIN CYCLING A PUMPS THAT SORT OF THING UM AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WE DID LOOK AT TWO THE DIFFERENT POWER SUPPLY[00:35:01]
ALTERNATIVES THE UM EXISTING POWER WITH A 240 VOLT THREE PHASE VERSUS THE UM WE WOULD HAVE AS A RECOMMENDED UPGRADED POWER SYSTEM OF 480 VOLT THREE PHASE UM THE TOTAL COST UM WHAT WE UH ESTIMATED FOR THE PROJECT UM WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $517,000 FOR THE RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS THE THAT FULL AS CONSTRUCTED CAPACITY AND THAT DOES INCLUDE UM ABOUT $120,000 FOR ELECTRICAL SERVICE UPGRADED UM WE DID GET AN ESTIMATE THAT CAME LATER AFTER OUR REPORT FROM THE ELECTRICAL SUPPLIER UM FOR UM A A POTENTIALLY REDUCED COST OF $70,000 SO IT MIGHT BE THAT THE COST OF THAT REPAIR UM UM DECREASES BY $50,000 AGAIN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE COSTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE THIS EVERYTHING WE DO HERE IS AN APPROXIMATION AND AN OPINION OF COST YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW UNTIL YOU GET BIDS FOR THE WORK UM WE DID UM BEFORE TALK ABOUT A FEW OTHER THINGS UM THIS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES BY LANDOWNERS WAS AN INTEREST IN A VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVE UM IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE WOULD UM NEED TO UM DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY HOW THE FLOATS WORK IN THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MANUFACTURERS OF THE AND SUPPLIERS OF THESE PUMPS THEY DO NOT RECOMMEND HAVING A VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE UM BECAUSE OF A FEW THINGS ONE OF THEM BEING THAT UM IF YOU'RE GONNA BE UTILIZING UM OTHER TYPES OF FLOATS UM A TRANSDUCER FLOATS THAT WOULD BE TYPICALLY USED FOR A VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVE UM IT'S GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM FOR MAINTENANCE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY UM WEED LOAD THAT COMES IN THAT CAN GET HUNG UP ON THOSE TRANSDUCERS UM THERE ARE A FEW OTHER REASONS FOR IT IT DOES CREATE A ADD COST TO IT UM AND IN OUR OPINION IT'S PROBABLY NOT NEEDED AND YOU KNOW WE CAN HAVE SOFT START PUMPS IF NECESSARY TO UM HELP WITH THE WEAR ON THESE PUMPS BUT WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE FLAT DESIGN GRADE THAT WAS PROVIDED HERE DOES PROVIDE ESSENTIALLY A POND TO DRAW FROM THAT WILL HELP WITH THOSE STOPS AND STARTS ON THE THE SYSTEM OTHER THING I WILL NOTE IS THAT WITH ALL THIS WE STILL NEED TO DO MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE THE DNR WE DID SOME ENGAGEMENT UM AS WE DEVELOP THE REPAIR REPORT BUT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WE WOULD NEED TO UM ENGAGE WITH THE DNR RE ENGAGE WITH THEM AND POTENTIALLY GET A PERMIT FROM THE DNR FOR THIS WORK UM AND SO WE DO HAVE THAT TO WORK THROUGH UM BEFORE WE CAN MOVE INTO UM DEVELOPING UM BID PLANS SO UM AGAIN OUR NEXT STEPS HERE UM WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REPAIR UM AGAIN SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MAY USE IN YOUR DECISION ARE WHETHER THE PAIRS ARE NEEDED IS THERE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE IS THE DRAINAGE SUFFICIENT FOR THE LANDOWNERS AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY TALKED BEFORE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT LAND OWNERS MAY UM BE CONSIDERING A A AN IMPROVEMENT PETITION BUT AGAIN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME AND UM IN OUR OPINION I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE UM SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROVIDE UM OR BE LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD I'LL SKIP DISCUSSION ON UM IMPROVEMENT PETITIONS AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THIS TIME ON YOUR LAST COMMENT YOU SAID YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE PETITION LIKELY TO MOVE FORWARD I CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE I MEAN IT'S NOT NOT THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT BRINGING IT OR YOU DON'T THINK IT IT'S FEASIBLE OR I GUESS I IN MY OPINION I I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A VERY CHALLENGING UM TASK TO MEET THE COST BENEFIT RATIO ON DOING AN IMPROVEMENT OF AND LOWERING OF THE DITCH IN THIS LOCATION UM IT IT WOULD I I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW UM YOU'D BE ABLE TO FINANCIALLY ARTICULATE THE VALUE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED BY LOWERING THE DITCH AND UH UM CERTAINLY UM THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET UNDER THE STATUTE IS THE COST BENEFIT UM RATIO AND AGAIN UM YOU KNOW[00:40:02]
IF A UM PETITIONERS CAME FORWARD UM CERTAINLY UM WE COULD ASSIST WITH DEVELOPING ENGINEERING UM REPORTS FOR SUCH AN IMPROVEMENT BUT THAT'S ONLY HALF OF THE STORY THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY IS HOW VIEWERS WOULD DETERMINE THE BENEFITS THAT WOULD NOT BE UM A PART OF WHAT THE ENGINEER DOES BUT PART OF WHAT THE VIEWERS DO BUT UH AGAIN EVEN HAVING CASUAL DISCUSSIONS WITH UM VIEWERS I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD KNOW HOW THEY WOULD ARTICULATE A UM A COST ASSOCIATED WITH UM A LURING IN THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO SO UM I I AND THEN THE THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THAT ANYBODY THAT IS A PETITIONER THAT WOULD TAKE THIS ON UM THEY'RE ACCEPTING THE LIABILITY OF COST FOR DEVELOPING THE ENGINEER'S REPORT ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND IF THEY UM PETITION FAILS THAT COST GOES BACK TO THEM FOR THE ALL THE ENGINEERING THAT WOULD OCCUR UP TO THAT POINT AND IT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL COST TO REALLY GET YOU NOWHERE AND THAT'S WHY I I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT RECOMMEND INVESTING THOSE DOLLARS IN IMPROVING THIS CASE YEAH THANKS AND FOLLOW UP TO THAT JUST ONE PRIOR TO THAT I MEAN WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE WHAT'S YOUR YOUR OPINION IS IF THE DITCH IS REPAIRED TO THE SUFFICIENT YOU KNOW AS BUILT AS IT IS REPAIRED AND BROUGHT UP TO THE PUMPING CAPACITY DOES IT MEET THAT HALF INCH FLOW CRITERIA IN THIS IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION OR JUST SHORT OF HALF INCH AS WE HAVE IT IN OUR REPAIR REPORT IT IS JUST SHORT OF THAT UM HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT BUT VERY CLOSE VERY CLOSE YEAH SO JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY ON THAT CHRIS COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY ESTIMATED AT WITH THE IMPROVEMENT HOW HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL IN A THIRD MORE HALF MORE CAPACITY WILL WE GET OUT OF THESE NEW PUMPS RELATIVE TO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW CURRENTLY WITH THE OLD PUMPS THAT ARE TIRED UM SO UM RIGHT NOW THE OLD PUMPS UM THE ELECTRIC PUMPS UM YOU KNOW THEY'RE PROBABLY AT LESS THAN HALF CAPACITY UM THE TRACTOR PUMP UM IS PROBABLY RUNNING YOU KNOW FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT IT WOULD ORIGINALLY BE DESIGNED TO DO BUT AGAIN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RUN UM MANUALLY AND SO UM YOU KNOW IF YOU UM YOU KNOW ADD UP ALL OF THOSE UM WITH THE TRACTOR PUMP THAT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE TO ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD BE AT WITH A REPLACEMENT SYSTEM BUT THERE AGAIN UM YOU KNOW YOU'RE UM HAVING TO GO OUT AND MANUALLY DO IT AND RUN ALL THREE PUMPS AT THE SAME TIME AND UH UM CERTAINLY UM YOU KNOW WHEN NOBODY'S OUT THERE WATCHING IT YOUR UM YOU KNOW FLOW RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY ONLY 15 GALLONS PER MINUTE WHEREAS A REPLACEMENT PUMP WOULD BE UP INTO SEVENTY THREE HUNDRED GALLONS PER MINUTE SO IT'D BE UM YOU KNOW WORDS OF FOUR TIMES THE FLOW THAT WOULD BE THERE RIGHT NOW OKAY THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS GO AHEAD YEAH CAN I GO BACK TO UM COMMISSIONER ZINS POINT UM ABOUT DOING A REPAIR NOW RATHER THAN AN IMPROVEMENT SO THESE LANDOWNERS WE COULD GO AHEAD WITH THE REPAIR PROJECT NOW BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T EVEN IF YOU KNOW THEY WENT THE IMPROVEMENT ROUTE IT WOULDN'T MATERIALLY CHANGE WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN UM WITH THE PUMPS RIGHT NOW CORRECT WELL IF THEY DID GO TO AN IMPROVEMENT ROUTE IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THEY'RE UM INTENDING TO IMPROVE TO UM UH IF FOR INSTANCE UH THEY WANTED TO LOWER THE DITCH BY A COUPLE OF FEET AN IMPROVEMENT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RETROFIT UM WHAT'S THERE TO LOWER WITHOUT HAVING TO REPLACE LIKE THE MANHOLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT BUT IF THEY WENT ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER 6 FEET LOWER ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT ALMOST THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND IN EITHER CASE TO GO AN IMPROVEMENT ROUTE YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE OUT EITHER THE PUMPS OR THE MOTORS FOR THOSE PUMPS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE HIGHER LIFT BECAUSE AGAIN AS WE DISCUSSED THAT LIFT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE AND THE WAY THESE PUMPS OPERATE IF IF YOU HAVE THEM OPERATING WITHIN AN UNEXPECTED RANGE OF THEY'RE GONNA PERFORM VERY WELL BUT AS SOON AS YOU START INCREASING THAT DEPTH THEIR PERFORMANCE RAPIDLY DROPS OKAY SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY THOUGH IS TO GO AHEAD[00:45:01]
WITH THE REPAIR PROJECT FOR EFFICIENCY SAKE AND YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S GOING TO WORK AND THEN MAYBE LATER IF UM LANDOWNERS AREN'T SATISFIED THEY CAN CONSIDER AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE CORRECT OKAY SO AT WHAT POINT DOLLAR WISE DOES AN IMPROVEMENT BECOME A REPAIR AT WHAT POINT IS THE AS CONSTRUCTED OR SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED VALUE HERE FOR THIS SYSTEM IS THAT ARE WE CLOSE TO THAT OR DO WE HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM UM I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY THERE IS THAT UM YOU KNOW ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN WHAT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED ANY ANY ADDITION OF COST THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN THE THE FUTURE FOR AN IMPROVEMENT THAT THAT REALLY ENDS UP BEING AN IMPROVEMENT SO REALLY IF WE WHAT WE DO WHEN WE UH DESIGN THESE IS WE TRY TO UH MATCH WHAT THE ON A REPAIR MATCH WHAT THAT CAPACITY IS BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU COULD RETROFIT WITHIN WHAT WE'D BE NORMALLY DESIGNING ANYWAY TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS IN THE FUTURE BUT WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T MODIFY OUR DESIGN FROM WHAT IT IS TO ACCOMMODATE A FUTURE IMPROVEMENT THAT AGAIN STEPS ACROSS THAT THRESHOLD UM AS SOON AS YOU INCUR ANY ADDITIONAL COST IF I'M TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT I THINK MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE IMPROVEMENT ISN'T ISN'T A FUNCTION OF COST IT'S A FUNCTION OF CAPACITY SO WE CAN YOU CAN SPEND ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING IT BACK UP TO THE STANDARD THAT IT WAS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR BUT ANYTHING YOU KNOW AND EVEN IF IT WOULD YOU KNOW BUT ANYTHING THAT INCREASES THE CAPACITY ABOVE WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR IS WHERE IT FALLS INTO THE REALM OF AN IMPROVEMENT NOT NOT BASED ON COST BASED ON VOLUME OR CAPACITY CORRECT UM YEAH THAT IT IT THAT A REPAIR IS THE AS CONSTRUCTED CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM UM HOWEVER UM I GUESS I WOULD SAY IS THAT UM THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE UM MAYBE EVEN GOING BEYOND THE REALM OF CAPACITY THAT UM ADD COST TO A DRAINAGE SYSTEM SAY LIKE ADDING DEPTH THAT UM REALLY GO INTO THE ALSO THE REALM OF THE IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE AGAIN THE REASON THAT THEY SEPARATE THOSE IS THAT UM AS SOON AS YOU GO INTO AS SOON AS YOU START INCURRING COSTS THAT WEREN'T ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED ON THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT CHANGES WHO BENEFITS ON THE SYSTEM AND IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHO BENEFITS ON THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING UM HOW THE BENEFIT WORKS OUT AND WHETHER IT EVEN MAKES SENSE FROM A COST BENEFIT STANDPOINT UM REPAIR YOU DON'T HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BENEFIT UM IS YOU YOU WORK WITHIN WHAT WAS THERE AND THE REPLACEMENT OF IT UM UM YOU KNOW IT IT FALLS UNDER THE REPAIR OF THE STATUTE CAN YOU JUST UM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ELECTRICITY OUT THERE ONE MORE TIME MAYBE JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE I I FEEL LIKE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT UM IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT WHAT IS PRESENTLY AVAILABLE ISN'T SUFFICIENT UM FOR FOR NEW PUMPS IS THAT RIGHT IT IT WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT IN ORDER TO UM ACHIEVE THAT AS CONSTRUCTED FLOW UM SO THAT THAT IS CORRECT THE THE UM POWER OUT THERE IS UH VERY LIMITED IT UH UM AGAIN IS A 240 VOLT SYSTEM IT UM I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TECHNICAL TERM FOR THE UM TYPE OF 3 PHASE POWER BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I I WOULD SAY IS NOT STANDARD FOR YOU'D SEE NOWADAYS AND SO IT IT REALLY HAS A UM LIMITED CAPACITY AND IN ORDER TO MEET THAT AS CONSTRUCTED UM CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM YOU WOULD NEED TO GET ADDITIONAL POWER OUT THERE LE CACHET SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP HERE CHRIS UM YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DELIBERATE ON THIS AND UM DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRAYER AND ORDER ORDER THE REPAIR TO OCCUR I DON'T KNOW DO YOU I DON'T I MEAN WE PROBABLY HAD OUR PUBLIC INPUT FORTUNE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO STILL GIVE THE ANYBODY NEED A CHANCE TO ASK A QUESTION THEN I DON'T[00:50:03]
I DON'T KNOW IS THERE ANYBODY THAT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION WHILE WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF THAT'S IN YOU KNOW OUR WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE BUT I'M JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD IT WHAT'S OUR ATTORNEY SAY I THINK IT'S AT YOUR ELECTION I THINK IT WAS NOTED AS A PUB AS A INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND SO I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION CAN WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OR IS ANYONE FROM THE FROM THE FARMERS HAVE A HAVE COMMENTS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE WITH REGARD TO THIS IF YOU DO PLEASE STEP TAKE YOUR TURN STEP UP GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WE'LL LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO 3 MINUTES MY NAME IS JEAN DORN GRAMBY TOWNSHIP AND IF I RECALL THE LAST TIME WE MET HERE YOU SAID THAT BENT GO CAUSE WE HAVE THREE PHASE DOWN AT HIGHWAY COUNTY ROAD NUMBER FIVE THAT IT COULD EASILY BE BROUGHT UP AND BENT GO WAS ALSO GOING TO CUT THE PRICE IN HALF TO BRING US THREE PHASE TO THAT PUMP SO YOU CAN ALLOW TO PUT 50 HORSE MOTORS AND THAT WAS SET AT A CERTAIN PRICE OF 50 TO 60,000 RESPOND TO THAT SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY GOTTEN A QUOTE FROM BENKO FOR APPROXIMATELY 120,000 ON THIS ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS HAD A ANOTHER DISCUSSION WITH BEN COLE AND THEN WE WERE LATER INFORMED THAT UM THEY FIGURED THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT FOR APPROXIMATELY 70,000 DOLLARS SO IT'S NOT HALF OF WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROVIDED US FOR ESTIMATE BUT IT WAS ABOUT A 50 THOUSAND DOLLAR REDUCTION AND THAT'S THEY DID A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT WAS ACTUALLY OUT THERE AND IN THE LENGTHS AND SO THEY UM CHANGED THEIR ESTIMATE AND AGAIN I I DON'T KNOW IF UH YOU KNOW THEY LOOK AT IT AGAIN OR IF WE UH YOU KNOW WHEN WE GO TO ACTUALLY UM HIRE THEM TO DO THE WORK UM THAT ESTIMATE COULD GO UP OR DOWN A BIT AS WELL BUT THAT THAT WAS THE LATEST WE HEARD WAS $70,000 OKAY THEN AT THAT TIME I THINK IT'S MY THIS IS MY OPINION IT'S WISE TO BRING THE 3 PHASE IN TO DO THAT UM WHAT ARE IS IT BY DOING THIS WITH THE NEWER MOTORS AND BEFORE YOU DO THE DITCH DROP UM WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED TO PUMP FOR WATER INTO THAT LAKE THAT DNR MAY HAVE A RESTRICTION ON IS THAT THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING WHEN THE MOTORS WERE NEW AND WITH THAT PUMP SO THE UM CURRENT AMOUNT THAT'S LISTED ON THE PERMIT FROM THE DNR IS 03,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT THE CAPACITY WAS ORIGINALLY OF ONE OF THOSE UH PUMPS UH WE BELIEVE THAT THE THIS IS A RELIC OF THE PAST THAT NEVER GOT CHANGED WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DNR AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT YOU KNOW FOR AT LEAST UH YOU KNOW THE UM PUMP STATION HAS BEEN PUMPING AT A CAPACITY UM MANY TIMES AT 3,000 IN FACT THE THE PUMPING STATION HAD CAPACITY DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT EVEN WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED SO UM WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM UM AND YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO UM NEED TO MODIFY UM THAT PERMIT FOR SURE IN ORDER TO GET THIS UM ACCOMPLISHED BUT UM IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH THEM AND PERHAPS UM SOME MODELING MIGHT BE UM NEEDED TO DEMONSTRATE THE EFFECT OF THE PUMPING RATE THAT HAS BEEN USED OUT THERE ON UM WATER ELEVATIONS IN MIDDLE LAKE WELL I HOPE YOU HAVE BETTER LUCK THAN I EVER DID WITH DNR BUT THEY'VE BEEN PUMPING THAT MUCH AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALRIGHT BUT YOU GOTTA TALK TO THEM I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE NOW BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S WISE TO BRING 3 PHASE IN THANK YOU ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT MY NAME IS JEFF WILLS UM HAS ANY ACCOMMODATION[00:55:01]
FOR AS THE OVERFLOW CULVERTS IN THE DITCH BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR THE PERMIT THE NO THE OVERFLOW CULVERTS ARE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE PERMIT BECAUSE THE PERMIT IS FOR WATER APPROPRIATIONS AND SO THE WATER APPROPRIATIONS IS BASICALLY FOR PUMPING SO OVERFLOW WOULD NOT ESSENTIALLY UH COUNT FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GRAVITY BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT FLOWS THROUGH THOSE OVERFLOW CULVERTS WHEN WE HAVE EXCESSIVE RAINS AND ALL THAT SO THAT'S GONNA GET PUMPED NOW INSTEAD OF FLOW NATURALLY INTO THE LAKE UM WE'RE AGAIN TRYING TO MIMIC THE FLOW THAT WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE OUT THERE SO UM I I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A UM ISSUE WITH PERMITTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OKAY OH THANK YOU HELLO MY NAME IS WARREN CRON UM I'VE BEEN HELPING PUT THE TRACTOR AND PUMP IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WHEN THE WATER GETS HIGH AND HE SAYS WHEN YOU'RE DOWN 4.2 FEET IT DOESN'T PUMP AS MUCH CAUSE YOU HAVE TO LIFT IT WHEN YOU GET A 10 INCH RAIN OUT THERE THE DITCH IS FULL WHEN WE PUT IT IN THERE WE CAN PUMP 24 HOURS AND NOT DROP OUT A FOOT SO HE SAYS THE WATER CAN'T FLOW IN THERE THAT FAST THAT PUMP THAT TRACTOR PUMP WHEN THE WATER IS THAT FULL I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S PUMPING 14,000 GALLONS A MINUTE AND THE TWO PUMPS THAT ARE THERE WHEN THE WATER IS THAT HIGH THE TUBES THAT GO OUT THERE I THINK THEY'RE 10 INCH OR ARE THEY 8 INCH MIGHT EVEN BE 12 BUT THEY'RE IF YOU DON'T GET THAT WATER OFF WITHIN 48 HOURS IN A SUNNY DAY ANY CROPS THAT ARE UNDER WATER ARE GONE NONE PAID TO DO IT AFTER THAT SO THIS INITIAL PUMPING AND IF WE HAD 14,000 GALLONS A MINUTE OUT OF THE TRACTOR PUMP AND IF THEY'RE RUNNING 85% FULL IT HAD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT THAT'S NOT THE GALLONS YOU'RE TALKING THAT CAN ONLY COME THROUGH THAT TUBE WHEN THE WATER'S HIGH YOU BETTER MOVE IT SO I THINK WE NEED THE TWO 50 HORSEPOWER PUMPS PLUS A 20 HORSEPOWER PUMP TO PUMP WHEN THE WATER'S DOWN CAUSE THAT 50 HORSEPOWER PUMP IF IT'S NOT VARIABLE IT'S GONNA TURN ON AND OFF AND ON AND OFF AND ON AND OFF THAT'S HARD ON EVERYTHING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT A 20 HORSEPOWER PUMP COST IT CAN'T BE THAT MUCH WHEN THE WATER IS DOWN AND THE TILE ARE FLOWING IS FLOWING FOR A MILE AND A HALF TWO MILES IT COMES IN THERE SLOW AND IF YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE A RESERVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TWO FOOT DEEPER NO DIFFERENT THAN SOME PUMPS WE HAVE IN AREA IF THERE'S WATER COMING IN THROUGH THE DITCH A 50 HORSEPOWER PUMP ISN'T GONNA RUN HALF A MINUTE TO HAVE THE WATER PUMP ON SO YOU NEED A SLOWER PUMP IN THERE OR A VARIABLE SPEED IF A VARIABLE SPEED MOTOR IS TOO EXPENSIVE FIND A DANNY FORGET THAT IDEA BUT PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WILL KEEP THAT DITCH LOW ENOUGH'CAUSE THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER END MILE AND A HALF 2 MILES AWAY THEIR WATER DOESN'T FLOW IN AS FAST WHEN THERE'S WATER SITTING THERE PUSHING AGAINST IT IF IT CAN RUN IN AND JUST GO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INCREASE IS BUT IT'S BIG SO YOU GOTTA GET THAT DITCH DOWN FAST AND THEN YOU GOTTA KEEP IT DOWN AFTERWARDS AND WE'VE GOT PUMPS IN THE COUNTY NOW THAT DON'T WORK THEY'RE DESIGNED WRONG WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT WE NEED BY THIS DITCH SO DESIGN IT RIGHT THANK YOU AND THAT THOSE POLES UH THE ELECTRICITY I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN THE REASON THEY DROPPED THE PRICE THE POLES ALONG THAT ROAD ARE ALL 60 AND HE SAID WE REALIZE THAT SO WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU OUT WE'RE GONNA PUT A THREE PHASE IN UNDERGROUND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING IN CHEAPER AND THAT 70,000 IS LOCKED IN IF WE DO IT NOW IF YOU WAIT 2 3 YEARS IT COULD CHANGE SO THANK YOU THANK YOU HI SETH BROWN UM I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BUILD OFF THAT A LITTLE BIT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF DESIGNING UM AND THE SIZING OF THE PUMPS WOULD IT BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO DO A A3 PUMP SYSTEM WITH EITHER YOU KNOW THREE 30 HORSE MOTORS SO THAT WE CAN GET CLOSER TO THAT HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT OF 16,000[01:00:01]
UM AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT CYCLING AS MUCH WITH A SMALLER PUMP AND IT GIVES YOU THE OPTION TO TURN PUMPS ON AS YOU NEED THEM TO GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FLOW CAUSE IN NORMAL YEARS WE PROBABLY WON'T NEED THAT THAT MAJOR FLOW WE COULD TAKE CARE OF IT WITH A SMALLER PUMP BUT IF WE JUST PUT TWO REALLY BIG ONES IN THERE THAT'S IT'S GOTTA HIT IN IT'S GOTTA PUMP THAT EVERY TIME THAT WE YOU KNOW GOTTA PUMP THAT THAT DITCH DOWN SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS A I KNOW IT'D BE MORE EXPENSIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUIPMENT BUT WOULD IT BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO LOOK AT A THREE PUMP THREE SMALLER PUMPS THAN TWO BIG ONES TO GET TO THAT 16,000 RED SPOTS OR YES SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT POTENTIALLY ADDING A THIRD PUMP IN THERE AFTER WE'D HAD UM DIALOGUE WITH THE OTHER UM LANDOWNERS AND UM YOU KNOW WE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMEND IN THIS CASE BUT UM YOU KNOW IT IT CERTAINLY COULD BE DONE UNDER THE UM AS A UM AS CONSTRUCTED CONDITION BUT IT UH UM WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT IT IS GONNA BE JUST MORE COST AND MAINTENANCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO UM NEED TO HAVE THERE AND WE DO FEEL LIKE UM WITH THE PUMPS THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED IN OUR REPAIR REPORT THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE AT A A PUMPING LEVEL THAT WOULD NOT RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL STARTS AND STOPS ON THE SYSTEM BASED ON THE UM GRADES THAT WE HAVE OUT ON THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW UM AGAIN WE DID A LOOK IN THAT ONE TABLE I PROVIDED EARLIER SHOWED WHAT THAT FLOW CAPACITY ON THE SYSTEM WOULD BE AT A UM HALF INCH DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT UM ONE OF THESE PUMPS AT ITS MAXIMUM IS GOING TO BE HALF OF THAT FLOW UM AND CERTAINLY THERE'S ENOUGH UM ABILITY OF FLOW TO GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM TO UM EVEN OPERATE THE UM BOTH PUMPS AT THE SAME TIME IF YOU HAVE THE THE TILES FULL FLOWING UM BUT WITHOUT HAVING UM AN AN UNDUE AMOUNT OF WATER GOING BACK UP AGAINST THE TILES THAT ARE AT TOWARD THE UPPER END OF THE SYSTEM SO AGAIN IT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW THAT WE UM STICK WITH THE TWO PUMP DESIGN BUT UM CERTAINLY WE COULD EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS AS WE MOVE INTO FINAL DESIGN IF THAT WAS DESIRED BY THE BOARD SO UM BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD MORE AND SEEM TO BE TRENDING TOWARDS MORE EXTRAORDINARY RAIN EVENTS WOULD IT BE A WOULD IT BE AN OPTION TO MAINTAIN THE TRACTOR PUMP AS A AS AN ALTERNATIVE IN THOSE EXTRAORDINARY SITUATIONS UM AS A COMPONENT OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU DO THAT YOU WOULD THAT YOU'D NOW GO INTO THAT IMPROVEMENT SCENARIO EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY HAVE THE TRACTOR PUMP YES OK JUST JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AGAIN SO AGAIN I THINK WHAT HOUSTON ENGINEERING CHRIS IS TRYING TO DESIGN HE'S TRYING TO DESIGN A SYSTEM THAT THAT MEETS MEETS THAT CAPACITY YOU KNOW WITH TWO PUMPS WHAT WHICH ARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THREE AND THAT'D BE MY QUESTION I MEAN YOU KNOW I I UNDERSTAND WHAT WARREN'S UM COMMENT IS YOU KNOW HE'S TRYING TO GET THAT THAT WATER OFF OF THEIR YOU KNOW AT LEAST THE TOP HALF OF THAT WATER OFF FASTER AGAIN I DON'T KNOW I I GUESS IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN IT OR CAN WE DO THAT I MEAN OR ARE THESE THE WAY YOU'RE DESIGNING THAT GONNA STILL MAINTAIN THAT CAPACITY THEY HAVE I MEAN THE ONLY OPTION IT'D BE AGAIN LIKE TRYING TO PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS AND GO WITH TWO SMALLER PUMPS AND THEN RUN THE TRACTOR PUMP BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE AGAIN THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO TRY TO KEEP THIS SO YOU GOT TWO ELECTRO PUMPS THAT ARE THAT ARE THAT ARE MEETING THE MAX CAPACITY THAT WE CAN PUT OVER THAT DIKE WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING CORRECT I MEAN IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN THAT YEAH YEAH SO I MEAN MR KORN HAD A POINT THERE AGAIN THE THESE UH THE FLOW IN THESE UH THROUGH THE PUMPS ARE DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH ELEVATION YOU HAVE THERE AND REMEMBER WE WENT BACK TO OUR UM PUMP CURVES THAT I SHOWED BEFORE THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE SHOWED THE PUMPS OPERATING AT A LITTLE OVER 10 FEET OF LIFT OR HEAD ON THE DRAIN ON THE PUMPING SYSTEM CERTAINLY EVEN THOSE PUMPS WILL OPERATE AT A LITTLE HIGHER FLOW CAPACITY UM IF YOU HAVE A UM LARGE EVENT AND HAS VERY LITTLE LIFT THAT IT NEEDS TO DO JUST LIKE THE TRACTOR PUMP DOES AS WELL[01:05:01]
SO THEY BOTH UM OPERATE TO SOME EXTENT IN THAT SAME MANNER IT'S KIND OF ALL RELATIVE SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES RATHER THAN APPLES TO ORANGES AS WE'RE LOOKING YOU'RE TRYING TO MIMIC THE EXACT SAME SYSTEM THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW BUT WITH THE ELIMINATION OF USING THE TRACTOR PUMP AND JUST USING TWO ELECTRIC PUMPS AND OF COURSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE WE WE REALIZE THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD BEFORE WITH OTHER PUMPS ABOUT CYCLING AND YOU'VE TAKEN INTO THE ACCOUNT THAT WHOLE CYCLING SITUATION WITH PUMPS WE KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE PUMPS CYCLE TOO MUCH BUT AND AGAIN YOUR EXPERT OPINION IS IS THIS SYSTEM MIMICS THE CAPACITY AND MEETS THOSE CYCLING DEMANDS SO WE DON'T WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YEAH THAT THAT'S CORRECT THAT WE WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST SCENARIO AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMBINATION OF UH UM INITIAL COST LONG TERM COST REPLACEMENT COST AND MAINTENANCE AND THE ALL THOSE FACTORS CAN CHANGE A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON HOW UM THE DESIGN WORKS WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE HITTING THE SWEET SPOT ON THAT UM IF YOU UM WERE TO GO TO A THREE PUMP SYSTEM UM WELL YOU KNOW MAYBE YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LONGEVITY OUT OF UM UM THOSE PUMPS BUT THEN AGAIN YOU HAVE THREE MORE PUMPS THAT YOU MIGHT EVENTUALLY HAVE TO REPLACE OR I SHOULD SAY ANOTHER PUMP THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE BEYOND THE OTHER TWO AND SO AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER PUMP THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED UM IT IT JUST ADDS MORE COMPLEXITY TO THE SYSTEM DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE DONE BUT UM WHEN WEIGHING THOSE IT IT WOULD BE OUR OPINION THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GO WITH THE 2 PUMP SYSTEM WHAT'S THE TIMELINE WE GO WITH THE REPAIR UM WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NOW THAT WE CAN GET A DESIGN PUT TOGETHER THIS SUMMER AND WORK TOWARD A FALL CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE LORD DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT YOU KNOW QUESTION FOR A UM LORD OUR 30 HORSEPOWER PUMP NOW THAT WE HAVE THERE WHEN THE WATER IS LOW WILL RUN FOR 2 BUT IT KEEPS IT AT THE RIGHT LEVEL THAT 30 HORSEPOWER PUMP IS HALF SHOT SO IT'S THE SAME AS A 15 HORSEPOWER MOTOR WHEN IT'S THAT DEEP IF HE STARTS A 50 HORSEPOWER MOTOR UP HOW MANY TIMES IS THAT GONNA SHUT ON AND OFF IN A DAY WHEN YOU'RE ONLY PUMPING WHEN THE WATER GETS DOWN TO THIS MUCH SO YOU SUCK THAT OUT AND IT'S A FLAT DITCH AND IT'S ONLY THIS WIDE IN THE BOTTOM SO THAT WATER HAS TO RUN TO IT YOU HAVE A 50 HORSEPOWER MOTOR TURNING ON AND OFF IT'S GONNA CYCLE WAY TOO MANY TIMES WE ONLY NEED A 15 OR 20 HORSEPOWER PUMP TO KEEP THAT DITCH FLOWING CAUSE AS SOON AS IT GOES UP AGAIN OKAY NOW THE TILE ON THE OTHER END DON'T RUN IN AS FAST WE WANT TO KEEP THAT LOW AND CONSTANTLY RUNNING LIKE A SMALL STREAM WE DON'T WANT IT GO UP 3 FEET AND GO DOWN AND UP THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER END NEEDS TO KEEP THAT DITCH EMPTY SO HOW LONG DO YOU THINK A A 50 HORSEPOWER PUMP TO TAKE THIS MUCH OUT AND THAT DITCH HOW LONG WOULD IT RUN TO TAKE THAT OUT AND SUCKING AIR I DON'T HAVE THE MATH IN FRONT OF ME BUT WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAPACITY IN THE DITCH AND DETERMINE THAT IT WOULDN'T CAUSE AN UNDUE AMOUNT OF CYCLING WITH THAT AMOUNT OF FLOW BUT HOW HOW HIGH ARE YOU GOING UP THERE HOW HOW MUCH ARE YOU GONNA BACK THE WATER UP IN THE WHOLE DITCH TO MAKE THIS 50 HORSE POWER RUN VERSUS A 20 HORSE OR 15 HORSE I'M JUST SAYING THE ECONOMICS OF IT YOU YOU NEED TO KEEP THE DITCH LOW CAUSE AS SOON AS IT FILLS UP THE TILE GO UNDERWATER AND THEN THE WATER STARTS TO PUSH AGAINST THAT WATER SLOW EVERYBODY'S GOT A LOT MORE TILE IN THE GROUND NOW THAN THEY USED TO HAVE AND THEY'RE SPENDING AND THEY WANT TO WORK SO WE PUT THIS DITCH SYSTEM IN AND ALL THESE TILES DON'T WORK TO CAPACITY WHEN YOU NEED IT AND WE HAVE I HAD 13 INCH RAINS WHEN I WAS A KID TWICE AND YOU KNOW WE GET 10 INCH RAINS 11 INCH 9 INCH WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR THOSE BIG RAINS BECAUSE IF IT'S SIX HOURS TOO LATE AND THE WATER GOES OFF IT'S YEAH IT WON'T COME BACK[01:10:06]
WELL THAT'S WHY WE HIRED EXPERTISE AND I I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAND WITH SO UM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THE STATUS WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DNR ARE THOSE UM HAPPENING SOON UM YEAH IF WE ARE UM ASKED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WE WOULD UM HAVE A CALL WITH THEM VERY SOON TO GET UM AN UPDATE WE WE DID UM AGAIN GIVE THEM UH OR HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THEM EARLIER THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO THIS FURTHER ON THEIR END AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT FROM US FOR INFORMATION THEY'D WANT TO SEE UM BEFORE THEY'D MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDING THE APPROPRIATIONS PERMIT SO UM WE WE WOULD UM CHECK IN AND SEE WHAT THEIR PROGRESS IS AS SOON AS UM WE'RE GIVEN THE GO AHEAD TO HAVE A WELL OF COURSE I MEAN I THINK WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REPAIR BECAUSE IT KIND OF STILL COMES DOWN TO THE SAME THE SAME SCENARIO I MEAN HIS OPINION IS IS IT'S UNLIKE I MEAN FROM WHAT HE'S TELLING AS HE EXPLAINED IT'S UNLIKELY THAT A UM A REPAIR AN AN IMPROVEMENT WILL WILL MEET THE THRESHOLD AGAIN AN IMPROVEMENT HAS TO MEET THE THRESHOLD TO HAVE THE COST BENEFIT OUTWEIGH THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO UH GET THIS UH'CAUSE IT IT'S IN NEED OF REPAIR RIGHT NOW I MEAN IT'S NOT IT'S NOT APP EVEN THE WAY IT IS IT'S NOT APP OPERATING AT THE CAPACITY THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO SO I THINK ONCE WE GET THIS THING OPERATING AT THE CAPACITY SUPPOSED TO I MEAN FROM WHAT HE'S FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IF I'M IT'S GONNA BE THIS SYSTEM WILL ACTUALLY FUNCTION AT NEAR A HALF INCH UM DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT AND THAT'S WHAT NEW SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED TO DO SO I THAT'S ACTUALLY A POSITIVE UM IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW THE TALK THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT LOWERING THE DITCH AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING BUT THAT TAKES US INTO THE REALM OF AN IMPROVEMENT AND YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DO IT I MEAN YOU JUST I WELL WE CAN'T DO IT BY JUST GOING FORWARD TODAY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PETITION FROM 26% OF LANDOWNERS AND THEY WOULD BE RISKING THAT MONEY PUTTING THAT UP TO GO FORWARD WITH AN IMPROVEMENT THAT LIKELY WOULDN'T SO SO AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD I'D LIKE TO OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY LET'S MOVE FORWARD UM HE SAID THAT HE COULD POSSIBLY IF WE'RE STILL IN THIS DESIGN PHASE OF IT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT THREE PUMP OPTION BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I MEAN WE'RE GONNA GO WITH WHAT WE THE EXPERTS IN THE IN THE FIELD WOULD SAY OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE MOST CAPACITY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE OUT OF THIS SYSTEM I MEAN EVERY ALL OF US DO YOU KNOW WE WANTED TO GET IT DOWN IS GOOD OR AS BETTER AS WELL AS IT IT AS IT HAS BEEN YOU KNOW AND HOPEFULLY UM YOU CAN COME UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT DOES THAT SO IS THAT A LONG WINDED MOTION THAT'S A LONG WINDED MOTION YEAH I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE UH WITH THE UH REPAIR WITH OPTION TWO OH OF COURSE OPTION TWO YES WE WANT TO DEFINITELY HAVE THE UH UM THE POWER OUT THERE TO TO OPERATE MISTER CHAIR I WOULD JUST ADD THAT UH THE MOTION INCLUDE UM APPROVAL OF THE REPAIR PENDING OF UH PENDING THE UH FINAL UM DETAILS ABOUT THE MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH HOUSTON ENGINEERING AND THE TASK ORDER AND THAT THE PROPERTY SERVICE DIRECTOR BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THAT ONCE COUNTY STAFF AND UH HOUSTON ENGINEERING AGREE ON THAT LANGUAGE YEAH THAT'S WHAT I SAID I I WILL SECOND THAT VERY ELOQUENT MOTION WHAT WHAT HAHAHA NOT THE LONG WINDED ONE THE ELOQUENT ONE YES OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR AYE AYE MOTION CARRIES ALL RIGHT UH THAT BEING SAID UH ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAVE ANYTHING FOR US ADMINISTRATION NO ALL RIGHT WELL THAT WILL ADJOURN THE TRAINING IS AUTHORITY MEETING THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING ALL RIGHT WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.